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official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 31 Mar 2020 20:37
by Ilya
Protest vs WMR
In my opinion WMR took more room of mark than he needed.
As a result of which he violated rule 11 and I think 16.1



Points: Red 12- Blue 9
Blue: Samuel
Blue: Sova
Red: Venhobel
Red: Mac Yavel
Red: Ilya
Blue: WMR

Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 01 Apr 2020 06:53
by Shura
TRC 2020 04 31 race 05 protest vs WMR

Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 01 Apr 2020 09:11
by jiel
My opinion :
MR was always less than one 1/2 length from the mark, sailing in seamanlike way in the mark-room he is entilted from 18.2b.
Both Venho and Ilya failed to give that room.
WMR exonarated under rule 21.

Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 01 Apr 2020 09:41
by euphoria
I'm not so sure. Yes, he is sailing in a seamanlike way, but the question is if he would have been forced to an unseamanlike move if he kept clear of Ilya. Was there enough room to pass between the mark and Ilya in a seamanlike way? If yes, then mark-room has been given, and WMR1 can not be exonerated for his 11. WMR1 is 1 boat width from the mark at the closest. Normally we round the mark closer than this.

What is in favor of WMR1 here is that there is 1 more boat involved. Venhobel is not giving him enough room to swing his stern, which justifies that he is not luffing earlier, giving Venhobel a chance to give room.

Harald

Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 01 Apr 2020 11:14
by jiel
"Normally we round the mark closer than this." except when one plans to tack as did WMR to fetch the next mark. Being inside, he may take that mark-room to do his tack.

Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 01 Apr 2020 12:51
by Ilya
The video has a bad perspective for this situation, it is more clearly seen if you look at it from above.
Then it’s clear how much space he took

Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 01 Apr 2020 13:40
by euphoria
jiel wrote:"Normally we round the mark closer than this." except when one plans to tack as did WMR to fetch the next mark. Being inside, he may take that mark-room to do his tack.

Mark-room does not allow the inside boat to sail his proper course. Being closer to the mark doesn't make it more difficult to tack, just happens slightly later. But in any case, the outside boat must give enough room to start the tack, until the inside boat passes HTW, then rule 18 stops in this case.

Harald

Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 01 Apr 2020 13:44
by sailgood
Min. of replay 7.06.38 wmr bear down much over propier course. IMO wmr broke rule 11 on ilya not on ven.

Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 5

PostPosted: 05 Apr 2020 12:07
by euphoria
Closing this, changed result to red win, as WMR1 took more room than necessary.

Harald