samuel wrote:I understand, thats could be centanly a hard case to umpire real and probably green, but we are on virtual sea with hightech in our favor. So to me is the best way to leave no doubt.
Yes, and by applying last point of certainty, we leave no doubt.
You can add to the uncertainty that on our replay you can be 5cm clear while on Parus replay you can be 5cm overlapped.
We need to create a definite clear ahead situation that is visible while racing, when we don't have the help of the isaf panel.
If you can't see the broken overlap on a youtube video, then it's not good enough.
These discussions are not interesting and does not give our members a better understanding of the rules, it's just time wasting, and we have to avoid having the forum filled with these kind of cases (just like the greyzone 15/16 cases where the boat with ROW has control).
jiel wrote:case 1 : In an other recent case I suggested to use the "uncertainty principle" but a picture evidence was used to state an overlap which was little imo.
If you talk about the situation I think you do, then the overlap had existed for several seconds before impact. The other party claimed overlap was broken just before impact, so it's the other way around for that one.
In some cases we need to look in the replay, like the LG-Venhobel case from the last TRC event.
No collision, no avoiding action = no pen. Small luff, small collision = pen for 16.1.
case 2 : Charles, my turn to repeat : I had to keep clear from Masino, so any course change of any skipper must be undertaken smoothly. Now if you think, I could bear away to give room to Parus, ok its a 15 for me.
Jean-Luc, you created the situation, so you are not getting any slack for having to keep clear of Donmasino. If it was not possible for you to both keep clear of Donmasino and give room to Parus, then you should not have put your nose in there. You break rule 15. Rule 19 applies also, you are suddenly inside of Parus relative to Donmasino who is an obstruction to both of you. But rule 19.2(b) says that Parus doens't have to give you room if he is not able to give it from the time your overlap began. This was a nice situation!
Harald