Jean-Luc Dellis wrote:At about 50% of the race duration, Jiel chatted he protested Eupho but with no answer from Eupho.
Hmm, this is simply not a fact. I was the one who started talking about our situation half way up the first beat. I said it was not fair of you to break rule 17, because your team gained an advantage from it (didn't bear away from your luff until after I wrote "p jiel" 3 seconds after the starting signal). After I wrote this then you said "then I protest you for 11 before". I said it's too late to protest now.
At about 90% of the race, Jiel re-chatted he protested Eupho about this incident but Eupho argued that the protest was hailed too late when he easily could repare the penalty in doing a 360 spin.
It's not possible to take a penalty turn at a later stage in the race. Like you asked Galaxy in the downwind to spin for the incident at the first mark - this is not possible. Penalty turns has to be taken asap.
If there is an instruction saying the protest must be hailed in the minute, I will withdraw my protest which would be not valid
This is not a special instruction, it's the ordinary rules. See rule 61.1. Same as our VSK TR appendix D2.1(b), just modified for hailing procedure.
but protest Eupho for rule 2 violation. Eupho knowing he broke rule 11 would have do a spin by himself.
This is a very strange suggestion. Most of all because it's definitively not a deliberate violation. Not even close! Why would I deliberately get a pen for 11??? I honestly thought I was keeping clear while racing!!! You suggest that I knew I was breaking rule 11, while you didn't even protest on the water under 11??? Obviously you didn't know for sure I broke rule 11 since you didn't protest. Or you were happy that I luffedto a higher course than you, over close hauled and lost speed, knowing a few degrees more would not have made a difference.
It would only make sense to protest under rule 2 if a boat would have an advantage from the violation and from an ordinary protest. If I break rule 11 here, then I get a penalty turn to make, which is no advantage compared to keeping clear. If I gain an advantage from breaking a rule, after taking a penalty, then you write PX, and I can take another penalty turn, but that would not be the case here. Me luffing a few degrees more would not have made a difference. Me getting a pen would have made a difference, in negative way for my team.
If someone is deliberately breaking a rule, then it's you who don't automatically bear away at the starting signal, which I was complaining about upwind, but not protesting for. Everybody knows they have to bear away immediately after the gun in a situation like this.
Or Galaxy in race 1, who didn't take a good penalty turn after start, which is a deliberate action, just manipulating the VSK pen to go off by turning at the smallest possible grade.
By the way, in order to protest under rule 2 you would of course also need to hail P on the water in accordance with rule 61.1... But it would only make sense to protest if giving the boat enough turns on the water to make it finish 6th, would not make up for the advantage the boats team got from the rules violation.
Watching the replay, I dont see how Galaxy could round more shortly, could take less room. Being very close to the mark, Galaxy sailed safely and was needing the room he took.
This is just for the rules discussion, as we don't need this protest. When Galaxy has the mark just to starboard of his mast, he can make full rudder and tack to starboard and he would be far from the mark. This is a fact, just try yourself on the water. This happened at replay time 4:35, and is the latest point he can tack and be exonerated under 18.
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By initially turning very slow, Galaxy use more room than mark-room. He has almost left the mark clear astern when he starts luffing at a normal tacking speed. This is where he started to round the mark normally, at least 1.5 boats widths too late:
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Probably he wanted to stop John from passing on port, but he can't have both. He has to choose between protection to tack under rule 18 or trying the other boat...
On the other side, Eupho changed course at t=4:35 and went to contact when Galaxy was rounding and keeping clear.
I changed course, but that is a normal luff under 11/16.1. I did not go to contact, I did bear away to make sure he had enough room to keep clear. But he just continued swinging at level 20 on the rudder, which is an over rotation, much quicker turn than my luff, so he went to contact. And for the record, we were already on a collision course before I luffed. He had a safe way out which he did not choose to take. He can't later tack out like that. He can luff to a course above parallell, then he needs to slow down his turn.
Harald